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Season 9, Episode 1: Can Detroit become America’s greatest urban comeback story?To kick off Season 9 of No Cap, we sit down with Jared Fleisher, CEO of Bedrock, to break down the future of Detroit, Cleveland, and large-scale city building. Jared shares how Bedrock, founded by Dan Gilbert, has invested billions across 140+ properties and 21M+ SF while helping reshape Detroit’s urban core.Whether you’re interested in public-private partnerships, downtown revitalization, GM’s move to Hudson’s Detroit, or the future of the Renaissance Center, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into conviction, civic commitment, riverfront development, and what it really takes to rebuild a city at scale.Shoutout to our sponsor, WareSpace — turning underused industrial, flex, office, and big-box properties into micro warehouse space for small businesses.TOPICS00:00 - Season 9 Premiere with Jared Fleisher05:00 - Dan Gilbert’s Conviction in Detroit10:52 - Bedrock’s 21M SF Portfolio16:49 - The Renaissance Center Challenge22:38 - GM, Hudson’s Detroit, and Civic Commitment27:06 - Rebuilding Detroit’s Riverfront33:17 - Public-Private Partnerships and Brownfield Financing41:48 - Innovation Districts and Talent45:05 - Defense, Manufacturing, and Detroit’s Next Chapter48:06 - Downtown Dallas and Why Cities Need Strong CoresFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 6: Today, we sit down with Jim Corl, Executive Vice President and Head of Private Real Estate at Cohen & Steers, to break down the relationship between listed REITs and private real estate. Jim explains why public markets often reprice first, why private valuations lag, and how that gap can create major opportunities for investors who know where to look.Whether you’re interested in REITs, private real estate, shopping centers, apartments, warehouses, or data centers, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into valuation discipline, sector rotation, and why Jim believes many investors are still stuck in last cycle’s winners.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 - Introduction to Jim Corl and Cohen & Steers06:00 - Why REITs Became an Institutional Asset Class12:00 - Buying Residential Lots for 5 Cents on the Dollar18:00 - Why Public Markets Reprice Before Private Real Estate24:00 - Apartments, Warehouses, and the Valuation Hangover30:00 - Why Cap Rates Still Look Too Low in Multifamily36:00 - The Shopping Center Thesis42:00 - Walmart, Amazon, and the Future of Retail48:00 - Industrial Demand and the E-Commerce Slowdown54:00 - Why Investors Need to Exit Last Cycle PortfoliosFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 5: How did Madison Realty Capital grow from a $10M fund into one of the most active private credit platforms in real estate?Today, we sit down with Josh Zegen, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Madison Realty Capital, to break down how MRC built its lending business before private credit became an institutional asset class. Josh shares how the firm survived the GFC, became vertically integrated, and scaled into a major capital source for sponsors when banks pulled back.Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, construction lending, office-to-residential conversions, or today’s maturity wall, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into how Madison thinks about risk, rescue capital, borrower relationships, and finding opportunity in a volatile market.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction to Josh Zegen and Madison Realty Capital05:00 – The Early Private Credit Opportunity10:53 – Surviving the GFC and Taking Over Assets15:45 – Becoming a Construction Lending Powerhouse19:00 – Back Leverage and Lending to Lenders24:12 – Distress, Rescue Capital, and Loan Workouts31:24 – Fundraising, Insurance Capital, and Investor Demand35:44 – The Pfizer Office-to-Residential Conversion42:40 – West Palm Beach, Florida, Texas, and Hot Markets48:12 – Recaps, Volatility, and Building Through the CycleFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 4: She oversees $60 billion in U.S. real estate equity, and she says the old playbook is done.Soultana Reigle is Managing Director and Head of US Equity at PGIM Real Estate, where she leads the firm's $60B US equity platform and serves as Senior Portfolio Manager for its US value-add strategies. PGIM Real Estate manages over $200B in debt and equity globally, and sits within PGIM, the $1.4T asset management arm of Prudential Financial.In this episode, Soultana breaks down how PGIM is deploying capital across the country, why "sharpshooting" specific deals has replaced broad-based sector bets, and where she's finding the best opportunities in today's market.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction 05:31 – Building a $60B Value-Add Platform from Scratch09:04 – GFC Lessons13:52 – The "Sharpshooter" Strategy and Sourcing $8B in Deal Flow15:02 – Senior Housing and Low-Latency Data Center Thesis25:24 – Buying a San Francisco Office Asset33:48 – Capital on the Sidelines and Navigating "Higher for Longer" Rates44:20 – AI Disruption, Career Advice, and why EQ is a SuperpowerFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 3: How did Fernando De Leon go from translating legal disputes as a teenager on the US-Mexico border to building Leon Capital Group?Today, we sit down with Fernando De Leon, Founder and CEO of Leon Capital Group, to break down one of the most remarkable founder stories in real estate. Fernando shares how his early life in Matamoros and South Texas shaped his view of risk, opportunity, and systems. We also get into his first real estate equity stake, his time at Harvard and Goldman Sachs, and how he built conviction before the GFC.Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, Texas real estate, AI, data centers, or the mindset behind durable compounding, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into the skepticism, stamina, and timing that helped Fernando build across real estate, private equity, and operating businesses.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction to Fernando De Leon07:00 – Early Real Estate Lessons on the Border14:00 – Harvard, Mentors, and Long-Term Seeds21:40 – Leaving Goldman and Optioning Texas Land28:29 – Buying Distressed Loans After the GFC37:07 – Why 2008 Won’t Repeat the Same Way46:43 – AI, Data Centers, and Hidden Risk52:48 – Building Operating Businesses57:07 – Mental Health, Talent, and New Opportunities01:04:00 – Mistakes, Stamina, and AI DisruptionFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 2: How does one of the nation’s largest real estate capital pools navigate a "real estate recession" while the rest of the economy stays hot? Today, we sit down with Eli Edwards, Managing Director at Fortress Investment Group and Head of US Real Estate Equity, to break down the firm’s strategy in a shifting market. Eli shares how Fortress spotted the San Francisco multifamily turnaround while the "doom loop" narrative was still in full swing. We also get into the "silver tsunami" in senior housing, why student housing is now a game of picking idiosyncratic winners, and how they are leveraging Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs) to provide tax-efficient solutions for retail investors.Whether you’re interested in distressed debt, Core Plus yields, or the future of the Sun Belt, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we dive into the conviction, timing, and risk discipline that helped Eli and his team at Fortress identify growth opportunities where others only saw risk.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction04:14 – Transitioning from Banking to the Buy-Side at Fortress10:21 – Contrarian Plays: Why Fortress Went Heavy on San Francisco Multifamily15:31 – The Sun Belt Outlook and the Looming "Supply Cliff"18:52 – Why Equity and JV Partnerships Trump Preferred Equity Today22:56 – Student Housing: Picking Winners in a Shrinking Demographic Pie25:56 – The Silver Tsunami: Why Senior Housing Fundamentals are "Inelastic"30:51 – Tax-Efficient Strategies and the Launch of the Fortress DST Platform40:21 – GFC vs. Today: Navigating a "Real Estate Recession" Without an Economic One45:54 – Market Outlook: Why 2026 is the Year for Real Estate Fundamental BottomingFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 8, Episode 1: How did two lawyers turn a handful of Arizona fourplexes into a vertically integrated real estate powerhouse with over 20,000 units renovated? Today, we sit down with John Griggs, Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Presidium, to break down the strategy behind that rise. John shares how he spotted his first opportunity in the "golden age" of the Arizona housing market before shifting his conviction to Texas just as the landscape was beginning to transform.We dive into how Presidium scaled its early portfolio to 5,000 units, the hard lessons learned from internalizing management during the GFC, and the strategic move of acquiring a special servicing company to master the mechanics of distressed debt. Whether you’re interested in ground-up development, creative capital stacks involving HUD debt, or where multifamily opportunity sits in today’s cycle, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we explore the risk discipline and long-term vision that helped Presidium evolve from a grassroots startup into a dominant institutional investment platform.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction and Presidium's Background01:32 – From Silicon Valley Law to the 2003 Arizona "Golden Age"08:03 – Moving to Texas and Raising Capital for Scale10:11 – Navigating the GFC and Internalizing Management14:58 – The Institutionalization of Multifamily Real Estate19:27 – Strategic Acquisition: Buying a Special Servicer24:56 – Launching a Development Platform and Spotting Market Peaks31:18 – Today's Creative Financing: HUD Debt and Housing Authorities36:38 – Targeting Distress and Partnering with Lenders42:15 – Delo Capital and the Outlook for Sun Belt MigrationFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 6: How did a former real estate analyst turn the pain of building pitch decks into one of CRE's fastest-growing AI companies?Today, we sit down with Sammy Greenwall, co-founder and CEO of Henry AI, to discuss how artificial intelligence is transforming commercial real estate workflows. Sammy shares his journey from college basketball to helping scale Lev into a $100M venture-backed company before leaving to build Henry AI.The conversation covers the inefficiencies of traditional brokerage workflows, why Henry focuses on delivering outcomes instead of software, and how AI is automating offering memorandums, BOVs, and other time-intensive tasks. Sammy also explains why local brokerage data may be more valuable than national databases, how "humans in the loop" remain critical to adoption, and where he sees the future of AI in commercial real estate.Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction01:39 – The Genesis of Henry AI and Early Conversations03:00 – Sammy’s Background: From the Bay Area to Toll Brothers03:53 – The Pain Point: Spending 70% of the Day in PowerPoint07:41 – The Lev Story: Starting a Company with a Rabbi in a Chabad House11:00 – Scaling to a $100M Series B and "Relentless Grit"13:10 – Leaving Lev to Build a Generational AI Company15:18 – Why Brokerage Costs Are Under Fire18:00 – Why Henry Charges 3x More19:50 – Why the Professional Touch in AI Still Matters21:56 – Identifying the Single Pain Point 24:08 – The Future of Interactive, Digital Offering Memorandums27:19 – The Data War32:58 – Labeling the "Walled Garden" of Commercial Real Estate Data35:30 – Where the Name "Henry" Actually Came From38:14 – CEO ProductivityFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 5: How did RREAF Holdings grow into a $4.8B real estate platform across multifamily, hospitality, BTR, and master-planned communities? Today, we sit down with Kip Sowden, Chairman & CEO of RREAF Holdings, and Doug McKnight, President of RREAF Holdings, to break down the strategy behind the firm’s growth across the Sun Belt. Kip shares how he moved from brokerage into principal investing after the GFC, while Doug explains how his fixed income background shaped RREAF’s approach to capital, risk, and liquidity.The conversation covers distressed acquisitions after 2008, bridge lender opportunities today, and why RREAF focuses on “all things residential” across the South and Southeast. Kip and Doug also break down their approach to multifamily, extended stay hotels, beachfront resorts, and large-scale Texas developments, while sharing why they believe a new real estate cycle is beginning.Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction03:45 – Kip Sowden’s Early Career in Brokerage and Mortgage Banking09:28 – Moving Into Principal Investing and Launching RREAF17:03 – Buying Distressed Notes and REO After the GFC24:17 – Structuring $500M+ Multifamily Portfolio Deals30:29 – Master-Planned Communities, BTR, and Texas Growth36:39 – Why RREAF Is Bullish on Extended Stay Hotels42:26 – Why RREAF Focuses on the South and Southeast47:45 – Institutional Capital Returning to CRE54:30 – Where RREAF Sees Opportunity in the Next CycleFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 7, Episode 4: How does a firm managing $17 billion navigate global real estate through high interest rates and a "hope-driven" market? Today, we sit down with Tim Mooney, partner and global head of real estate and Jim Dunbar, partner and head of real estate lending at Värde Partners. They break down how Värde operates across the capital stack, from senior lending and structured credit to niche equity platforms in student housing and medical offices.Tim and Jim share how their "distress roots" from the GFC shaped their current strategy of building sector-specific operating platforms like Trimont. They explain why today’s cycle is a "slow trickle" compared to 2008, the reality of the upcoming maturity wall, and how they are synthetically creating mezzanine returns. Whether you’re curious about AI’s impact on real estate demand or looking for insights into international markets like India and Europe, this episode is a masterclass in institutional credit. Join us for an unfiltered look at the conviction and data-driven discipline required to manage a global alternative investment platform in today’s cycle.Shoutout to our sponsor, Henry AI. The fast track to investor-ready decks that actually stand out.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction to Värde Partners05:58 – Tim Mooney and Jim Dunbar’s Backgrounds10:05 – The Trimont Acquisition and Data Advantage13:00 – Värde’s Current Strategy: Staying Senior in the Stack15:51 – Case Study: Repurposing Distressed New York Assets22:44 – Lessons from the GFC vs. Today’s "Hope-Driven" Market30:50 – Middle Market Lending and Creating Synthetic Returns34:26 – The Case for Medical Office and Student Housing Platforms41:16 – AI Disruption and the Future of Productivity45:15 – International Complexity: Lending in India and EuropeFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.